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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:30:00 -
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What I find amusing is that Gafton keeps using a quote of mine that is pretty much 100% accurate given the current situation:
"Piracy itself is a meaningless term, of use only to smear to be honest. It gets rolled out by intellectually challenged people as a crutch to support crippled arguments." ~Jade Constantine (Posted - 2004.06.19)"
For my part I would like PA to ditch the term "anti pirate" from their description because they clearly aren't. They are "anti NCA" and thats their chief identifier these days. The pirate/anti-pirate thing is ridiculous. PA people have claimed they would fly with the devil himself if he joined an anti NCA gate gatecamp, well and good, but the PA should have the courage and honesty to lose the out-of-date anti-pirate tag because that is just dishonest. Its impossible to stand gate camps with the biggest pirate faction in the game and claim to be Anti-pirate. Anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves.
And before any PA wit asks the obvious (and deadly dull question)
Jericho Fraction categorises itself as neither pro or anti pirate. In 0.0 space we shoot at people who are -10 to us and we allow neutrals to go about their business. We don't claim space and we don't toll innocents. As a corporation we believe the pirate/anti-pirate identifiers for philosophical association are not particularly useful and its far better to judge corporations and individuals on their friendships and overall behaviour.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:30:00 -
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What I find amusing is that Gafton keeps using a quote of mine that is pretty much 100% accurate given the current situation:
"Piracy itself is a meaningless term, of use only to smear to be honest. It gets rolled out by intellectually challenged people as a crutch to support crippled arguments." ~Jade Constantine (Posted - 2004.06.19)"
For my part I would like PA to ditch the term "anti pirate" from their description because they clearly aren't. They are "anti NCA" and thats their chief identifier these days. The pirate/anti-pirate thing is ridiculous. PA people have claimed they would fly with the devil himself if he joined an anti NCA gate gatecamp, well and good, but the PA should have the courage and honesty to lose the out-of-date anti-pirate tag because that is just dishonest. Its impossible to stand gate camps with the biggest pirate faction in the game and claim to be Anti-pirate. Anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves.
And before any PA wit asks the obvious (and deadly dull question)
Jericho Fraction categorises itself as neither pro or anti pirate. In 0.0 space we shoot at people who are -10 to us and we allow neutrals to go about their business. We don't claim space and we don't toll innocents. As a corporation we believe the pirate/anti-pirate identifiers for philosophical association are not particularly useful and its far better to judge corporations and individuals on their friendships and overall behaviour.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:59:00 -
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I can't resist ;)
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You already got enough answers. We are shooting at pirates as much as we can -SlightlyMad (Bladerunners)
They are right behind you!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:59:00 -
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I can't resist ;)
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You already got enough answers. We are shooting at pirates as much as we can -SlightlyMad (Bladerunners)
They are right behind you!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:03:00 -
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So SlightlyMad ... would it be fair to say your "pirate hunting" identity may be defined thuswise:
"Pirates = anybody we want to fight"
"Pirates we don't want to fight aren't technically pirates"
PA rationale
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:03:00 -
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So SlightlyMad ... would it be fair to say your "pirate hunting" identity may be defined thuswise:
"Pirates = anybody we want to fight"
"Pirates we don't want to fight aren't technically pirates"
PA rationale
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:12:00 -
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Does that mean you can't (or choose not to) answer the question then?
Seriously Slightlymad, since you are flying with the Pirate Syndicate surely its only reasonable that the PA should remove the term "anti pirate" from its alliance description?
That just seems the reasonable thing to do.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:12:00 -
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Does that mean you can't (or choose not to) answer the question then?
Seriously Slightlymad, since you are flying with the Pirate Syndicate surely its only reasonable that the PA should remove the term "anti pirate" from its alliance description?
That just seems the reasonable thing to do.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Madhog
Originally by: Beatrice
Poor Jade. Too busy whining here and she just got blown up. So sad!
 kill mail plz, was it another humiliating death? - did you get the pod?
So much for the RONA-KIA "we don't boast on the forums" code eh?
For the record I attacked a RONA-KIA Thorax that was flying alongside a TPS Raven, in an ARES and unsurprisingly got blown up. However the pod escaped and all is well.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Madhog
Originally by: Beatrice
Poor Jade. Too busy whining here and she just got blown up. So sad!
kill mail plz, was it another humiliating death? - did you get the pod?
So much for the RONA-KIA "we don't boast on the forums" code eh?
For the record I attacked a RONA-KIA Thorax that was flying alongside a TPS Raven, in an ARES and unsurprisingly got blown up. However the pod escaped and all is well.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: SlightlyMad
Still waiting Jade:
What help did you offer your allies UNICOR when TPS emerged?
Answer my question and I will answer yours.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: SlightlyMad
Still waiting Jade:
What help did you offer your allies UNICOR when TPS emerged?
Answer my question and I will answer yours.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/08/2004 11:09:38
Well I confess I actually find it difficult to answer Beatrice the raw novice recruit to the Pheonix Alliance cause (apparently).
Difficult because I donÆt really know where to start: obviously her opinions and facts are mostly wrong. Statements like:
ôThese are rotten people, all of them.ö
Is a pretty sweeping condemnation of a lot of people united in a common cause, how judgemental and narrow-minded must a person be to make this assessment on the second day out of the academy?
ôI'm no fan of Halseth Durn, but at least he is honestö
Well again, an extremely uncompromising endorsement of a politician that has had his hand in many political shenanigans in the north for the past year. And what a blanket statement of faith! I think only a true believer can say this about another after only two days of public life (or a relative perhaps)?
ôà and his version of the truth is pretty close to accurate.ö
How would you know Beatrice? Were you listening to the voice discussions where matters were promised? Were you in the NVA council half a year ago? Did you play an active role in the negotiations between Oberon and the Foresaken Empire (between studying for your final exams)? Or are you just making a statement on blind faith again?
ôà guess if I had to sum up a justification for why curse, the TPS and PA are now working with each other, is that they're all at least honest about who they are and where they stand.ö
But of course PA is not being honest is it Beatrice? One cannot claim to be an ôanti-pirateö alliance while flying alongside a ôpirate allianceö. You see the distinction here I hope? Reikoku have dropped the ôanti-pirateö phrase from their identifier à that is being honest. For PA corporations to continue to name themselves the enemies of pirates while gate camping EC-8PR system with them is the epitome of dishonest doublespeak.
ôà They [COD] were on really good terms with PA for a while, and I donÆt think PA has any problems with them.ö
Again how would you know? The fact of the matter is that RONA-KIA has declared that CoD must be punished for siding with their friends. As for what went wrong I would advise you to take a pause from reciting PA-sponsored catechisms for a moment and read (and I mean really read) the history thread (currently stickied). The leaders of CoD explain why they are fighting PA and it will illuminate an honest mind.
ôàIt saddens me to look back four months and look at the values they held then, and what their actions say now.ö
How can you look back four months when you only graduated from the academy two days ago? And if you are simply mouthing the words of another person, who are you to speak of honesty?
And then the best for last, the pet-psychological assessment of my many personality flaws:
You state that you gather opinions from an ôearlier time in the NVAö. Well when I was on the NVA council we had a policy of not admitting pilots from novice corps into our councils. It was the thought that a pilot must gain experience of the environment before they were fit for 0.0 and the dangers therein. So I canÆt see how your statement could possibly be truthful.
And since your opening sentence is an attempt at deceit Beatrice, how should the rest not be considered a simple attempt at baseless political slur and de rigour nonsense in routine anonymous vein?
Though that point alone is sufficient to invalidate all you say, I would point you at the history thread again to learn the truth of the lies you attempt to propagate.
Jericho Fraction was ejected from the PA founding coup because I told Halseth and the council that we would never support the Union with Foresaken Empire under any circumstances. Halseth and cronies decided to scapegoat my name to occlude the truth and credulous fools have been convinced by that convenient fiction ever since. Wise commentators have not.
But that brings me back to the beginning and my uncertainty in this regard. Clearly you speak for another. And though it is right and just to demolish this behaviour, I do sense the wisdom in LyÆsolÆs speech (in this and other threads) and I am unwilling to allow a righteous (and justified) sense of wroth at such a cowardly tactic on Beatrice (and backers) behalf influence my general response to more enlightened PA voices.
At the last, know this: two day novices do not have the right to offer meaningful political and psychological commentary and condemnation on year old political disputes (particularly not when such is couched in character assassination and deceitful claims)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/08/2004 11:09:38
Well I confess I actually find it difficult to answer Beatrice the raw novice recruit to the Pheonix Alliance cause (apparently).
Difficult because I donÆt really know where to start: obviously her opinions and facts are mostly wrong. Statements like:
ôThese are rotten people, all of them.ö
Is a pretty sweeping condemnation of a lot of people united in a common cause, how judgemental and narrow-minded must a person be to make this assessment on the second day out of the academy?
ôI'm no fan of Halseth Durn, but at least he is honestö
Well again, an extremely uncompromising endorsement of a politician that has had his hand in many political shenanigans in the north for the past year. And what a blanket statement of faith! I think only a true believer can say this about another after only two days of public life (or a relative perhaps)?
ôà and his version of the truth is pretty close to accurate.ö
How would you know Beatrice? Were you listening to the voice discussions where matters were promised? Were you in the NVA council half a year ago? Did you play an active role in the negotiations between Oberon and the Foresaken Empire (between studying for your final exams)? Or are you just making a statement on blind faith again?
ôà guess if I had to sum up a justification for why curse, the TPS and PA are now working with each other, is that they're all at least honest about who they are and where they stand.ö
But of course PA is not being honest is it Beatrice? One cannot claim to be an ôanti-pirateö alliance while flying alongside a ôpirate allianceö. You see the distinction here I hope? Reikoku have dropped the ôanti-pirateö phrase from their identifier à that is being honest. For PA corporations to continue to name themselves the enemies of pirates while gate camping EC-8PR system with them is the epitome of dishonest doublespeak.
ôà They [COD] were on really good terms with PA for a while, and I donÆt think PA has any problems with them.ö
Again how would you know? The fact of the matter is that RONA-KIA has declared that CoD must be punished for siding with their friends. As for what went wrong I would advise you to take a pause from reciting PA-sponsored catechisms for a moment and read (and I mean really read) the history thread (currently stickied). The leaders of CoD explain why they are fighting PA and it will illuminate an honest mind.
ôàIt saddens me to look back four months and look at the values they held then, and what their actions say now.ö
How can you look back four months when you only graduated from the academy two days ago? And if you are simply mouthing the words of another person, who are you to speak of honesty?
And then the best for last, the pet-psychological assessment of my many personality flaws:
You state that you gather opinions from an ôearlier time in the NVAö. Well when I was on the NVA council we had a policy of not admitting pilots from novice corps into our councils. It was the thought that a pilot must gain experience of the environment before they were fit for 0.0 and the dangers therein. So I canÆt see how your statement could possibly be truthful.
And since your opening sentence is an attempt at deceit Beatrice, how should the rest not be considered a simple attempt at baseless political slur and de rigour nonsense in routine anonymous vein?
Though that point alone is sufficient to invalidate all you say, I would point you at the history thread again to learn the truth of the lies you attempt to propagate.
Jericho Fraction was ejected from the PA founding coup because I told Halseth and the council that we would never support the Union with Foresaken Empire under any circumstances. Halseth and cronies decided to scapegoat my name to occlude the truth and credulous fools have been convinced by that convenient fiction ever since. Wise commentators have not.
But that brings me back to the beginning and my uncertainty in this regard. Clearly you speak for another. And though it is right and just to demolish this behaviour, I do sense the wisdom in LyÆsolÆs speech (in this and other threads) and I am unwilling to allow a righteous (and justified) sense of wroth at such a cowardly tactic on Beatrice (and backers) behalf influence my general response to more enlightened PA voices.
At the last, know this: two day novices do not have the right to offer meaningful political and psychological commentary and condemnation on year old political disputes (particularly not when such is couched in character assassination and deceitful claims)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:18:00 -
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I actually stand by the quote wholeheartedly by the way. And I think this war shows why its an accurate quote. And make no mistake, I am not throwing up my arms and saying whether its good or bad that the Pheonix Alliance are now in bed with the Pirate Syndicate ... I am just saying that its deceitful for the PA corps to call themselves "anti pirates". They should either remove the term or replace it with something more truthful like:
"Ethically neutral"
"Insular territorial"
"None of your business"
Something like that.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:18:00 -
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I actually stand by the quote wholeheartedly by the way. And I think this war shows why its an accurate quote. And make no mistake, I am not throwing up my arms and saying whether its good or bad that the Pheonix Alliance are now in bed with the Pirate Syndicate ... I am just saying that its deceitful for the PA corps to call themselves "anti pirates". They should either remove the term or replace it with something more truthful like:
"Ethically neutral"
"Insular territorial"
"None of your business"
Something like that.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:25:00 -
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Incorrect. We ejected JF for the single reason that we really really really dislike Jade and the way she posts on the forums. This may not be a good enough reason for many who like Jade, but it was good enough for us.
It really doesn't help that you continue to perpetuate that fiction Hicks. The FE demanded that Jericho Fraction be ejected from the NVA as a pre-requisite for Union and NAP. Surprise surprise Jericho Fraction is then ejected. A few weeks later PA gets the NAP with FE. You can repeat the excuses until you are blue in the face but the facts of the matter support the interpretation that you did this for political pragmaticism without the knowledge of much of the alliance.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:25:00 -
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Incorrect. We ejected JF for the single reason that we really really really dislike Jade and the way she posts on the forums. This may not be a good enough reason for many who like Jade, but it was good enough for us.
It really doesn't help that you continue to perpetuate that fiction Hicks. The FE demanded that Jericho Fraction be ejected from the NVA as a pre-requisite for Union and NAP. Surprise surprise Jericho Fraction is then ejected. A few weeks later PA gets the NAP with FE. You can repeat the excuses until you are blue in the face but the facts of the matter support the interpretation that you did this for political pragmaticism without the knowledge of much of the alliance.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:42:00 -
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Im afraid this statement hurts your position. Typically when leading a large body of people. You give them what the want. Not what you want. NVA needed and wanted victories....Seems as though my CEO went throught the troubles of provideing it.
Was it the leadership not likeing the idea of Jade usurpering thier popular authority by providing what was needed or was it truely becuase of the words she says?
Actually Ly'sol, you do make a very good point. It was brought to the attention of the NVA council at that time that certain people were unhappy in the very public leadership provided by Jericho Fraction, and certainly by the tactics we employed in the attempt to win the war. The recruitment of Celestial Apocalypse, Millenium, Deathstar and Quantum Industries was greatly contested by Hicks and Gafton and others on the NVA council because they viewed it as "Jade empire building", while others such as Oberon and CDI and RONA contested the use of mercenary corporations and assassins in targetting Forsaken Empire assets in Geminate.
Thinking back, the root of the issue was that some NVA corporations wanted to downplay the agression level of the war and return the NVA fleet to Venal to cover their mining operations primarily, while other more combat-oriented corporations wanted to continue the attacks on the FE homeland and bring "peace at home" through "engagement in enemy territory". I was very much a "hawk" on the NVA council and feld we could never have peace with the FE because their very nature did not allow the possibility of "allies" merely "victims" or "clients".
It makes sense to me that my public statements and military intentions would certainly have annoyed people who were privately planning political union with the FE. I must certainly have been an embarrassing anachronism to that cause!
So ultimately, I do believe this is all politics and pragmatic compromise and behind closed doors (quite literally in the Crice negotiations) deal making rather than any kind of personal issue.
I tend to consider people claiming the "it was all because we hated Jade" position of being either dishonest or misinformed. Fundimentally you don't destroy an alliance and revoke all agreements and prior reputation because you dislike one member of the council with one vote out of twenty four.
If Hicks and Halseth and co really wanted to make a point about not liking me they could have proposed a censure motion on the PA council and (if it passed) asked JF to appoint another rep.
What actually happened was a political coup with no voting or due process in order to clear the decks and prepare for full political reallignment with old enemies.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:42:00 -
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Im afraid this statement hurts your position. Typically when leading a large body of people. You give them what the want. Not what you want. NVA needed and wanted victories....Seems as though my CEO went throught the troubles of provideing it.
Was it the leadership not likeing the idea of Jade usurpering thier popular authority by providing what was needed or was it truely becuase of the words she says?
Actually Ly'sol, you do make a very good point. It was brought to the attention of the NVA council at that time that certain people were unhappy in the very public leadership provided by Jericho Fraction, and certainly by the tactics we employed in the attempt to win the war. The recruitment of Celestial Apocalypse, Millenium, Deathstar and Quantum Industries was greatly contested by Hicks and Gafton and others on the NVA council because they viewed it as "Jade empire building", while others such as Oberon and CDI and RONA contested the use of mercenary corporations and assassins in targetting Forsaken Empire assets in Geminate.
Thinking back, the root of the issue was that some NVA corporations wanted to downplay the agression level of the war and return the NVA fleet to Venal to cover their mining operations primarily, while other more combat-oriented corporations wanted to continue the attacks on the FE homeland and bring "peace at home" through "engagement in enemy territory". I was very much a "hawk" on the NVA council and feld we could never have peace with the FE because their very nature did not allow the possibility of "allies" merely "victims" or "clients".
It makes sense to me that my public statements and military intentions would certainly have annoyed people who were privately planning political union with the FE. I must certainly have been an embarrassing anachronism to that cause!
So ultimately, I do believe this is all politics and pragmatic compromise and behind closed doors (quite literally in the Crice negotiations) deal making rather than any kind of personal issue.
I tend to consider people claiming the "it was all because we hated Jade" position of being either dishonest or misinformed. Fundimentally you don't destroy an alliance and revoke all agreements and prior reputation because you dislike one member of the council with one vote out of twenty four.
If Hicks and Halseth and co really wanted to make a point about not liking me they could have proposed a censure motion on the PA council and (if it passed) asked JF to appoint another rep.
What actually happened was a political coup with no voting or due process in order to clear the decks and prepare for full political reallignment with old enemies.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:47:00 -
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Okay I will make one comment on this Unicor thing being thrown around by PA and TPS. What happened with Unicor? There were two separate wars thats what happened. NCA against PA and TPS against Unicor. PA was losing badly and called in CA as reinforcements. Unicor fought long and hard against TPS and ultimately made a decision for the good of its membership to pull out of an untenable position and continue the war from a more favourable fallback location. Now PA is losing again and has called in TPS as reinforcements. Unicor has recovered its fighting strength and is back in the war. Don't believe me? Ask Unicor. And thats it.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:47:00 -
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Okay I will make one comment on this Unicor thing being thrown around by PA and TPS. What happened with Unicor? There were two separate wars thats what happened. NCA against PA and TPS against Unicor. PA was losing badly and called in CA as reinforcements. Unicor fought long and hard against TPS and ultimately made a decision for the good of its membership to pull out of an untenable position and continue the war from a more favourable fallback location. Now PA is losing again and has called in TPS as reinforcements. Unicor has recovered its fighting strength and is back in the war. Don't believe me? Ask Unicor. And thats it.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:59:00 -
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Ah the endless barrage of novices with big opinions. How the old songs play!
And to "Ends" and TPS and Shalmanzer the Unicor knocker. Chaps, Unicor was instrumental in crushing TPS fleets in Pureblind for the past two nights.
But of course, we know all about TPS psyops.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:59:00 -
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Ah the endless barrage of novices with big opinions. How the old songs play!
And to "Ends" and TPS and Shalmanzer the Unicor knocker. Chaps, Unicor was instrumental in crushing TPS fleets in Pureblind for the past two nights.
But of course, we know all about TPS psyops.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/08/2004 12:12:25
Well, discussion of winning and losing in this context is of course entirely pointless since with the changing of the guard and activity patterns its often the case that ships simply miss each other in the night eh monsieur Ends, but suffice to say the presence of Unicor corps on both your kill and loss mails will suggest that they are not out of the fight by a long way and your rumours of their destruction? Exagerated at best. Still, welcome to the war and enjoy your psy-ops.
PS Incidently, here is what a Unicor commander has to say about the situation TPS and PA.
Quote:
"have always dealt with honour, and TPS certainly has my respect.
Our withdrawal from P3 into deep 0.0 wasn't, as implied, due to any particular withering blow - it was a tactical move (one which I did not personally agree with) intended to concentrate military power in strategic locations. It was simply felt that p3 wasn't worth the resources it was costing.
Let it not be thought that we did not give a good account of ourselves. Equally, let it not be thought that UNICOR is dead. We're back, and we're better...
We had two enemies in those days - TPS and ourselves. Communication breakdowns and lack of organisation plagued us and gave TPS the in they needed to get the whole psyops thing going. Had our house been more in order, things may well have turned out very differently...
Here's to brighter days ..."
I think that clears up the myth.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/08/2004 12:12:25
Well, discussion of winning and losing in this context is of course entirely pointless since with the changing of the guard and activity patterns its often the case that ships simply miss each other in the night eh monsieur Ends, but suffice to say the presence of Unicor corps on both your kill and loss mails will suggest that they are not out of the fight by a long way and your rumours of their destruction? Exagerated at best. Still, welcome to the war and enjoy your psy-ops.
PS Incidently, here is what a Unicor commander has to say about the situation TPS and PA.
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"have always dealt with honour, and TPS certainly has my respect.
Our withdrawal from P3 into deep 0.0 wasn't, as implied, due to any particular withering blow - it was a tactical move (one which I did not personally agree with) intended to concentrate military power in strategic locations. It was simply felt that p3 wasn't worth the resources it was costing.
Let it not be thought that we did not give a good account of ourselves. Equally, let it not be thought that UNICOR is dead. We're back, and we're better...
We had two enemies in those days - TPS and ourselves. Communication breakdowns and lack of organisation plagued us and gave TPS the in they needed to get the whole psyops thing going. Had our house been more in order, things may well have turned out very differently...
Here's to brighter days ..."
I think that clears up the myth.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 13:08:00 -
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Well for my money Zzazzt is a good fellow and dedicated to his corporation and their allies and he impressed me a lot. TPS can spiel psyops propaganda till the cows come home but at the end of the day everyone makes their own choices and does what they personally feel to be right.
Millenium was always a good corporation and after some hard times they are back to good form and positive direction.
That earns my respect.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 13:08:00 -
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Well for my money Zzazzt is a good fellow and dedicated to his corporation and their allies and he impressed me a lot. TPS can spiel psyops propaganda till the cows come home but at the end of the day everyone makes their own choices and does what they personally feel to be right.
Millenium was always a good corporation and after some hard times they are back to good form and positive direction.
That earns my respect.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 14:51:00 -
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And you learned that too in your first 48 hours of post academy life Beatrice? Cram-learning of political science guides by hypnotic suggestion mayhap?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 14:51:00 -
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And you learned that too in your first 48 hours of post academy life Beatrice? Cram-learning of political science guides by hypnotic suggestion mayhap?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 18:08:00 -
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"... Jade excalates her forum campaign of hatred against the newly formed FE" - Halseth Durn
I think thats all that needs to be said on the credibility of your account Halseth.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 18:08:00 -
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Quote:
"... Jade excalates her forum campaign of hatred against the newly formed FE" - Halseth Durn
I think thats all that needs to be said on the credibility of your account Halseth.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:48:00 -
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I think one of the ironic points is, everyone's complaining about Jade, and how insignificant she is, and how she's got a big ego, and all that.. and yet they spend thread after thread, and post after post, demonizing her.
What amazes me are the people that claim I'm both insignificant and the root of all their woes, pointless and sad, and the architect of all their losses and the single cause of their nightmares and problems ... all in the same posts. Those are quite imaginative.
Ultimately though what I am, is stubborn. And I will keep on telling things as I see them and I won't be bullied or browbeaten by anyone at any time or in any circumstance. I imagine that makes me seem arrogant but strangely the people I respect don't seem to see it that way.
All I want is honourable allies and relationships with people who keep their word. I don't think that really is too much to ask?
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I think one of the ironic points is, everyone's complaining about Jade, and how insignificant she is, and how she's got a big ego, and all that.. and yet they spend thread after thread, and post after post, demonizing her.
What amazes me are the people that claim I'm both insignificant and the root of all their woes, pointless and sad, and the architect of all their losses and the single cause of their nightmares and problems ... all in the same posts. Those are quite imaginative.
Ultimately though what I am, is stubborn. And I will keep on telling things as I see them and I won't be bullied or browbeaten by anyone at any time or in any circumstance. I imagine that makes me seem arrogant but strangely the people I respect don't seem to see it that way.
All I want is honourable allies and relationships with people who keep their word. I don't think that really is too much to ask?
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Originally by: Beatrice
Someone with excellent command of the english language and an ability to manipulate is far from insignifigant. There's a good reason why china sent such individuals to build its great wall, after all. They're dangerous.
Everyone has the potential and the ability to manipulate little space cadet. Thats what language is about. Your pretty little allusion is a rhetorical device, a poetic attempt at manipulation in itself, to claim that some people speak without the desire to change people's mind and win opinion around is to misunderstand the very basis of language.
But I think you know that.
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Originally by: Beatrice
Someone with excellent command of the english language and an ability to manipulate is far from insignifigant. There's a good reason why china sent such individuals to build its great wall, after all. They're dangerous.
Everyone has the potential and the ability to manipulate little space cadet. Thats what language is about. Your pretty little allusion is a rhetorical device, a poetic attempt at manipulation in itself, to claim that some people speak without the desire to change people's mind and win opinion around is to misunderstand the very basis of language.
But I think you know that.
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Originally by: Stoop
Jade does it hurt you feelings that what Halseth posted was right? And that Artegg said it was right, and I am saying the same now myself? Does it really bother you because you know it is the truth to the point that you dont even want to make a multi-post post about how it isnt right?
Ummmm let me think about this. Does it hurt my feelings that three members if the PA: Halseth (Oberon) Artegg (RONA-KIA) and Stoop (GODS) should happen to agree on a faked bit of history to make them feel righteous and justified on a past backstab against an allied corporation?
The truth is (and this may hurt your feelings just a bit monsieur Stoop) is that I don't really even know you. I just barely remember you being a little whiny fellow in the NVA channels who was always complaining about something. If I did have you "under a spell" (or some such tosh) then believe me the feeling was entirely unrequited. To be brutally honest I quite forgot all about you when Jericho Fraction went independent and you only appeared on the radar again in this current conflict with your knee jerk spouting of the party line.
So why exactly should anything you say hurt my feelings? You cannot effect me in any way Stoop. At this moment I pay you the compliment of recognising your existence for a few moments, but really, thats as far as it goes.
But really, this is achieving nothing. Everyone has had their say in the excellent history of the northern war thread and I don't think anybody sensible pays any mind to the nonsense spouted about my role in this conflict by PA propagandists.
I am involved because Jericho is involved and Jericho is involved because our allies are involved. Everyone came to their own independent decisions to join the fighting and there really was no political super-witchery silver bullet to suddenly turn half of eve anti-PA.
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Stoop
Jade does it hurt you feelings that what Halseth posted was right? And that Artegg said it was right, and I am saying the same now myself? Does it really bother you because you know it is the truth to the point that you dont even want to make a multi-post post about how it isnt right?
Ummmm let me think about this. Does it hurt my feelings that three members if the PA: Halseth (Oberon) Artegg (RONA-KIA) and Stoop (GODS) should happen to agree on a faked bit of history to make them feel righteous and justified on a past backstab against an allied corporation?
The truth is (and this may hurt your feelings just a bit monsieur Stoop) is that I don't really even know you. I just barely remember you being a little whiny fellow in the NVA channels who was always complaining about something. If I did have you "under a spell" (or some such tosh) then believe me the feeling was entirely unrequited. To be brutally honest I quite forgot all about you when Jericho Fraction went independent and you only appeared on the radar again in this current conflict with your knee jerk spouting of the party line.
So why exactly should anything you say hurt my feelings? You cannot effect me in any way Stoop. At this moment I pay you the compliment of recognising your existence for a few moments, but really, thats as far as it goes.
But really, this is achieving nothing. Everyone has had their say in the excellent history of the northern war thread and I don't think anybody sensible pays any mind to the nonsense spouted about my role in this conflict by PA propagandists.
I am involved because Jericho is involved and Jericho is involved because our allies are involved. Everyone came to their own independent decisions to join the fighting and there really was no political super-witchery silver bullet to suddenly turn half of eve anti-PA.
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Posted - 2004.08.19 23:11:00 -
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/emote hands Dreamworks a tech2 tissue
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Posted - 2004.08.19 23:11:00 -
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/emote hands Dreamworks a tech2 tissue
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/emote hands Stoop a tech2 tissue as well
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Posted - 2004.08.19 23:16:00 -
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/emote hands Stoop a tech2 tissue as well
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 20/08/2004 01:26:53
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Ridiculous and stupid responses, you must be losing it Jade, oops wait another JF member with total crap to post. How many more can we get to post? Your contstant garbage about this war is ridiculous, you will NEVER get Venal back, you will NEVER have an alliance to ruin again, you will NEVER EVER be in any position of power. You made your bed now go sleep in it. 
You sound almost exactly like the famous Captain Massacre!
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 20/08/2004 01:26:53
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Ridiculous and stupid responses, you must be losing it Jade, oops wait another JF member with total crap to post. How many more can we get to post? Your contstant garbage about this war is ridiculous, you will NEVER get Venal back, you will NEVER have an alliance to ruin again, you will NEVER EVER be in any position of power. You made your bed now go sleep in it.
You sound almost exactly like the famous Captain Massacre!
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Originally by: Omniwar
We control NCA from the shadows 
Oh my lord Omniwar ... now you are turning into Captain Massacre as well! Where will it end?
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Originally by: Omniwar
We control NCA from the shadows
Oh my lord Omniwar ... now you are turning into Captain Massacre as well! Where will it end?
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